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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zai,

 As the main writer here on SM (although I was not the one who wrote this post) I would like to respond to a few things you&#039;ve said.

When the article was originally posted, the statistics it reported on female genital mutilation were blatantly wrong. It was a careless mistake, and we attempted to correct it once the error was brought to our intention. As you can see in the post, we crossed out the incorrect information and replaced it with, &quot;90% of women IN EGYPT.&quot;  You say you don&#039;t know where we get our statistics from; it should be fairly obvious that for this article, the statistics came from the video that we both highlighted and posted. The video was pretty much the centerpiece of the whole thing, so you actually sound a bit silly saying that you can&#039;t imagine where we got our information from...but anyway... I did a little extra fact checking today, and came up with several new articles which also seem to support the 90% statistic, like this one: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evelyn-leopold/female-circumcism----90-p_b_822283.html
This article points out that although the practice of FGM is decreasing (as you said) it is still practiced at an alarmingly high rate in many parts of the world. According to this article, it dropped from 97% to 91%. Are these statistics wrong? If so, can you provide some new sources?
Our article then goes on to say, &quot;This circumcision is basically genital mutilation and is not condoned by all Muslim scholars.&quot; You seem to have misunderstood this completely.  Perhaps you don&#039;t understand what &quot;condoned&quot; means? We were pretty much saying that there are muslim scholars who don&#039;t condone--or accept, allow, or sanction--genital mutilation. From your response, you seem to think that &quot;condone&quot; means something like, &quot;condemn.&quot;  Or perhaps you were so eager too point out our &quot;ignorance,&quot;  that you read that part too quickly. 
The point is, we say right in the article that FGM isn&#039;t necessarily a practice sanctioned or approved of by muslim scholars. We do say, &quot;practitioners (of FGM) believe this makes a woman more pure than those in the West, who “go out and lay with any man she wants.” Here, we were  referring not to scholars, but simply to anyone who actually practices FGM. And the information presented in this sentence seems perfectly reasonable, given that if you practice FGM, you are likely doing it for what you believe is a good reason. In &quot;Infidel,&quot; Ayaan Hirsi Ali talks about the reasoning behind FGM, and the way it was presented to her as a little girl does seem to match what we&#039;ve written above. 

Now that you hopefully have a better understanding of the article you are welcome to again point out any areas where we are wrong... We write these article to encourage discussion, of course, and I have no doubt that you&#039;re knowledgeable in this area. But please respond to things we&#039;ve actually said, and not to things you imagine we might say. We&#039;d appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zai,</p>
<p> As the main writer here on SM (although I was not the one who wrote this post) I would like to respond to a few things you&#8217;ve said.</p>
<p>When the article was originally posted, the statistics it reported on female genital mutilation were blatantly wrong. It was a careless mistake, and we attempted to correct it once the error was brought to our intention. As you can see in the post, we crossed out the incorrect information and replaced it with, &#8220;90% of women IN EGYPT.&#8221;  You say you don&#8217;t know where we get our statistics from; it should be fairly obvious that for this article, the statistics came from the video that we both highlighted and posted. The video was pretty much the centerpiece of the whole thing, so you actually sound a bit silly saying that you can&#8217;t imagine where we got our information from&#8230;but anyway&#8230; I did a little extra fact checking today, and came up with several new articles which also seem to support the 90% statistic, like this one: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evelyn-leopold/female-circumcism----90-p_b_822283.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evelyn-leopold/female-circumcism&#8212;-90-p_b_822283.html</a><br />
This article points out that although the practice of FGM is decreasing (as you said) it is still practiced at an alarmingly high rate in many parts of the world. According to this article, it dropped from 97% to 91%. Are these statistics wrong? If so, can you provide some new sources?<br />
Our article then goes on to say, &#8220;This circumcision is basically genital mutilation and is not condoned by all Muslim scholars.&#8221; You seem to have misunderstood this completely.  Perhaps you don&#8217;t understand what &#8220;condoned&#8221; means? We were pretty much saying that there are muslim scholars who don&#8217;t condone&#8211;or accept, allow, or sanction&#8211;genital mutilation. From your response, you seem to think that &#8220;condone&#8221; means something like, &#8220;condemn.&#8221;  Or perhaps you were so eager too point out our &#8220;ignorance,&#8221;  that you read that part too quickly.<br />
The point is, we say right in the article that FGM isn&#8217;t necessarily a practice sanctioned or approved of by muslim scholars. We do say, &#8220;practitioners (of FGM) believe this makes a woman more pure than those in the West, who “go out and lay with any man she wants.” Here, we were  referring not to scholars, but simply to anyone who actually practices FGM. And the information presented in this sentence seems perfectly reasonable, given that if you practice FGM, you are likely doing it for what you believe is a good reason. In &#8220;Infidel,&#8221; Ayaan Hirsi Ali talks about the reasoning behind FGM, and the way it was presented to her as a little girl does seem to match what we&#8217;ve written above. </p>
<p>Now that you hopefully have a better understanding of the article you are welcome to again point out any areas where we are wrong&#8230; We write these article to encourage discussion, of course, and I have no doubt that you&#8217;re knowledgeable in this area. But please respond to things we&#8217;ve actually said, and not to things you imagine we might say. We&#8217;d appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/5-things-i-didnt-know-about-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Zai&lt;/strong&gt; All of the information came from a TV documentary on National Geographic “&lt;a title=&quot;NGC examines the Muslim faith&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot; href=&quot;http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/inside-the-koran-3466/Overview&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Inside the Koran&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; I figured that a show airing on Nat Geo did at least a half-way decent job in their fact checking. But by no means do I stand by these statistics if they prove inaccurate. If what you say is true, can you respond a few links or evidences? This post is almost two years old and admittedly I haven&#039;t done much to further my knowledge in this area (hence no followup post). I&#039;m genuinely interested in learning more.

Perhaps you can be a little less insulting in your reply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Zai</strong> All of the information came from a TV documentary on National Geographic “<a title="NGC examines the Muslim faith" rel="external" href="http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/inside-the-koran-3466/Overview" rel="nofollow">Inside the Koran</a>.&#8221; I figured that a show airing on Nat Geo did at least a half-way decent job in their fact checking. But by no means do I stand by these statistics if they prove inaccurate. If what you say is true, can you respond a few links or evidences? This post is almost two years old and admittedly I haven&#8217;t done much to further my knowledge in this area (hence no followup post). I&#8217;m genuinely interested in learning more.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can be a little less insulting in your reply?</p>
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		<title>By: Zai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I just completed a Master&#039;s dissertation in Female Genital Mutilation and I can tell you that the statistics you have are clearly wrong, I do wonder where you get your information from. Also the part where you said Muslim scholars don&#039;t condone it,,,again you are wrong.... It isn&#039;t even part of the Islamic religion, in fact it is followed by a lot of tribal run areas of Africa, and the practice is slowly being abolished in a lot of these areas where awareness is being encouraged among st them. Must I also add that, it was in a Hadith that the Prophet pbuh mentioned something about FGM ,well it has been widely accepted and established that the hadith was weak and invalid....Finally I would like to add that if you still believe your statistics are correct, then you might want to mention that in Africa and A lot of Muslim countries there is a large portion of Christians and they also practice FGM, in fact a lot of Christian elders have not condoned the practice. There is always 2 sides to every story and as ignorant as people who oppress communities with a practice like FGM, makes you just that ignorant to the truth behind it...but the sad part is yet to come, you are not oppressed or uneducated or retarded or unable to seek knowledge, they on the other hand are..so there ignorance is justified, your&#039;s, well it just speaks for itself doesn&#039;t it . 

Peace 
Zai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I just completed a Master&#8217;s dissertation in Female Genital Mutilation and I can tell you that the statistics you have are clearly wrong, I do wonder where you get your information from. Also the part where you said Muslim scholars don&#8217;t condone it,,,again you are wrong&#8230;. It isn&#8217;t even part of the Islamic religion, in fact it is followed by a lot of tribal run areas of Africa, and the practice is slowly being abolished in a lot of these areas where awareness is being encouraged among st them. Must I also add that, it was in a Hadith that the Prophet pbuh mentioned something about FGM ,well it has been widely accepted and established that the hadith was weak and invalid&#8230;.Finally I would like to add that if you still believe your statistics are correct, then you might want to mention that in Africa and A lot of Muslim countries there is a large portion of Christians and they also practice FGM, in fact a lot of Christian elders have not condoned the practice. There is always 2 sides to every story and as ignorant as people who oppress communities with a practice like FGM, makes you just that ignorant to the truth behind it&#8230;but the sad part is yet to come, you are not oppressed or uneducated or retarded or unable to seek knowledge, they on the other hand are..so there ignorance is justified, your&#8217;s, well it just speaks for itself doesn&#8217;t it . </p>
<p>Peace<br />
Zai</p>
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		<title>By: thegrayone</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/5-things-i-didnt-know-about-islam/comment-page-1#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>thegrayone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too wanted to learn more about Muslims.  I read many web sites.  It is a very scary religion.  The very name means &#039;submission&#039; to the will of God and since He is not around, the man of the house.  Men are in charge, completely.  Women are completely subservient to the will of the men in their lives. 

Look at Muslim web sites (American Muslim, the largest is CAIR) especially the forums where Muslims ask questions of the Mullah for a real eye opener.  

Many times they say how the Koran talks about be kind to all men etc.  The Koran is talking about all men who are Muslim !!  Everyone else is an infidel, not worth the dirt on your shoes !!  Look up Dimmini on Google.  

Finally, you don&#039;t see crazy, fanatical Christians going around blowing themselves up, chopping peoples heads off and declaring war on the whole of western civilization !!

The best thing I read is if you know someone who is a Muslim you should feel sorry for them.  They are living in the past.  Like the middle ages.  Like the early Christian church before the reformation.

Well, talk is cheap.  blah, blah, blah.  That&#039;s my two cents anyway.
I could go on and on telling you things that stuck in my mind but I won&#039;t.  Most of my reading was done about two years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too wanted to learn more about Muslims.  I read many web sites.  It is a very scary religion.  The very name means &#8216;submission&#8217; to the will of God and since He is not around, the man of the house.  Men are in charge, completely.  Women are completely subservient to the will of the men in their lives. </p>
<p>Look at Muslim web sites (American Muslim, the largest is CAIR) especially the forums where Muslims ask questions of the Mullah for a real eye opener.  </p>
<p>Many times they say how the Koran talks about be kind to all men etc.  The Koran is talking about all men who are Muslim !!  Everyone else is an infidel, not worth the dirt on your shoes !!  Look up Dimmini on Google.  </p>
<p>Finally, you don&#8217;t see crazy, fanatical Christians going around blowing themselves up, chopping peoples heads off and declaring war on the whole of western civilization !!</p>
<p>The best thing I read is if you know someone who is a Muslim you should feel sorry for them.  They are living in the past.  Like the middle ages.  Like the early Christian church before the reformation.</p>
<p>Well, talk is cheap.  blah, blah, blah.  That&#8217;s my two cents anyway.<br />
I could go on and on telling you things that stuck in my mind but I won&#8217;t.  Most of my reading was done about two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@numreen&lt;/strong&gt; - I am glad you stopped by to comment on and correct some things in the post. It has truly been a learning experience... with &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt; of the comments. If you revisit our site, I hope you chose your words differently. &lt;strong&gt;You were quite insulting in many cases&lt;/strong&gt;, despite being inaccurate yourself and offering no sources for your claims (for all I know, you could be stating your own personal interpretation here).

In the future, please read the post more carefully. You&#039;ve taken much of this post out of context (see above, I&#039;ve never read the Koran) and responded rudely. I hope you exercise more &#039;blog etiquette&#039; in the future.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@numreen</strong> &#8211; I am glad you stopped by to comment on and correct some things in the post. It has truly been a learning experience&#8230; with <em>most</em> of the comments. If you revisit our site, I hope you chose your words differently. <strong>You were quite insulting in many cases</strong>, despite being inaccurate yourself and offering no sources for your claims (for all I know, you could be stating your own personal interpretation here).</p>
<p>In the future, please read the post more carefully. You&#8217;ve taken much of this post out of context (see above, I&#8217;ve never read the Koran) and responded rudely. I hope you exercise more &#8216;blog etiquette&#8217; in the future.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a fact that everybody knows yet its not even mentioned in the Quran. Then how can you read this in the Quran? I think your memory is a little flawed don’t you think?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please re-read my post. I&#039;ve never read the Koran nor do I claim to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is a fact that everybody knows yet its not even mentioned in the Quran. Then how can you read this in the Quran? I think your memory is a little flawed don’t you think?</p></blockquote>
<p>Please re-read my post. I&#8217;ve never read the Koran nor do I claim to have.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone, I am the author of this post. Thanks for your input! I have learned a lot from your comments. I&#039;d like to explain some of my original five bullet points.

#2 is a broooaaaddd statement. I don&#039;t know how anyone can pinpoint it to be wrong. A few commenter alluded to the fact the Koran is a book of guidance and is open to interpretation. This naturally leads to different interpretations among its readers (as with Christianity)... that&#039;s all I&#039;m trying to say. Is anyone reading this a Muslim terrorist? Well then...

#3 I should not have compared Islam to Christianity, to khany&#039;s point. There are differences in every religion. I tried to touch upon a few I had not heard before.

4. This is straight from the episode. Why would I not believe an outfit like National Geographic? I trust they&#039;ve done their research.

5. Again, this came right from the episode. The &#039;97%&#039; has come under fire as well, but why would I make it up? I knew nothing of bullet point #5 until I watched Nat Geo&#039;s show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, I am the author of this post. Thanks for your input! I have learned a lot from your comments. I&#8217;d like to explain some of my original five bullet points.</p>
<p>#2 is a broooaaaddd statement. I don&#8217;t know how anyone can pinpoint it to be wrong. A few commenter alluded to the fact the Koran is a book of guidance and is open to interpretation. This naturally leads to different interpretations among its readers (as with Christianity)&#8230; that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m trying to say. Is anyone reading this a Muslim terrorist? Well then&#8230;</p>
<p>#3 I should not have compared Islam to Christianity, to khany&#8217;s point. There are differences in every religion. I tried to touch upon a few I had not heard before.</p>
<p>4. This is straight from the episode. Why would I not believe an outfit like National Geographic? I trust they&#8217;ve done their research.</p>
<p>5. Again, this came right from the episode. The &#8217;97%&#8217; has come under fire as well, but why would I make it up? I knew nothing of bullet point #5 until I watched Nat Geo&#8217;s show.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Numreen, I don&#039;t appreciate the insinuation that we were &quot;afraid&quot; to publish your post.  If you look at many of the blogs posts on this site, you&#039;ll find plenty of comments that disagree with us. Why on earth would we mysteriously delete yours?

  Your original posts showed up as spam, which happens occasionally. I would have corrected the problem earlier, but during the week, I&#039;m not able to moderate the posts until 4 or 5 pm (after work). Once I got home today, I went through and approved every new  post I saw here. 

 In the future, please have a little patience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numreen, I don&#8217;t appreciate the insinuation that we were &#8220;afraid&#8221; to publish your post.  If you look at many of the blogs posts on this site, you&#8217;ll find plenty of comments that disagree with us. Why on earth would we mysteriously delete yours?</p>
<p>  Your original posts showed up as spam, which happens occasionally. I would have corrected the problem earlier, but during the week, I&#8217;m not able to moderate the posts until 4 or 5 pm (after work). Once I got home today, I went through and approved every new  post I saw here. </p>
<p> In the future, please have a little patience.</p>
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		<title>By: numreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>numreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry i have an entire post ready but this site isn&#039;t allowing me to post, and its coming all mixed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry i have an entire post ready but this site isn&#8217;t allowing me to post, and its coming all mixed up.</p>
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		<title>By: numreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>numreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Being a muslim I have never read the 5 things you have mentioned about the Quran and I read it every day.  I guess my sense of arabic and english is not as good as yours.  When I read the quran I read about women given rights that they did not have until the Quran was revealed.  For example women were seen as nothing more than sex objects.  They were not considered as equals and the prophet Muhammad pbuh was the first to start women liberation.  Your first point:
&quot;The Koran is God’s word, dictated to his profit Muhammad bit by bit over the course of 23 years until the prophet’s death. Muhammad was illiterate, but his memory was flawless. &quot;  
Yes the prophet Muhammad pbuh was illiterate, and yes his memory was flawless.  This was a devine gift from Allah swt.  But not mention in the Quran.  This is a fact that everybody knows yet its not even mentioned in the Quran.    Then how can you read this in the Quran? I think your memory is a little flawed don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Being a muslim I have never read the 5 things you have mentioned about the Quran and I read it every day.  I guess my sense of arabic and english is not as good as yours.  When I read the quran I read about women given rights that they did not have until the Quran was revealed.  For example women were seen as nothing more than sex objects.  They were not considered as equals and the prophet Muhammad pbuh was the first to start women liberation.  Your first point:<br />
&#8220;The Koran is God’s word, dictated to his profit Muhammad bit by bit over the course of 23 years until the prophet’s death. Muhammad was illiterate, but his memory was flawless. &#8221;<br />
Yes the prophet Muhammad pbuh was illiterate, and yes his memory was flawless.  This was a devine gift from Allah swt.  But not mention in the Quran.  This is a fact that everybody knows yet its not even mentioned in the Quran.    Then how can you read this in the Quran? I think your memory is a little flawed don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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